This week we are joined by Patrick DiDomenico and Kevin Klein, two longtime builders of knowledge programs and legal tech gatherings. They walk through the evolution of KM&I for Legal, now entering year three, and the debut of its co-located counterpart, Legal Tech Connect. Both events run in New York on October 22 and 23, with a single community, two distinct agendas, and one big goal, stronger conversations across buyers, builders, and backers of legal tech.
Patrick traces the roots, from the ARK KM era to the launch of KM&I, then to twisting Kevin’s arm to join as a producer. A larger home opened the door to ambitious programming, Ease Hospitality at 3rd and 40th near Grand Central. Think bright rooms, live plants, strong AV, plenty of seating, and an adjacent tenant lounge with coffee, terrace, and breakout nooks. Lessons from last year show up in smart touches, an overflow room streaming the main stage for those who need to handle calls or email without missing core content, longer breaks for real conversations, and, yes, food worthy of repeat trips.
Format matters here. KM&I holds firm on peer-to-peer sessions led by law firm professionals. Providers participate through tight five-minute spotlights between talks, plus optional demo rooms during generous coffee breaks and lunch. Legal Tech Connect flips the lens, product stories on stage, founder journeys, market forces, and regulatory themes. A crossover ticket lets attendees roam freely between both programs. Breakouts return by popular demand, a C-suite roundtable, KM 101 for newcomers, a track for KM attorneys and PSLs, and a managers and directors forum that grew from attendee feedback.
Themes thread across both days. ROI from AI and KM tools appears throughout, from data strategy as a differentiator to co-development case studies. Expect a lively take on the rise of the legal engineer, with skills for scaling tools and driving adoption, plus a frank discussion about where these roles sit inside firms. Professor Michele DiStefano opens with client centricity, drawing on her research and book, with every attendee receiving a copy. She then moderates a session at Legal Tech Connect on how legal tech companies sell to law firms, bridging provider goals with buyer needs. Another panel stages the AI conversation among a partner, pricing director, client, and innovation lead, a timely look at value, billing, and collaboration.
The bigger story is community. Patrick and Kevin highlight the peer network that forms in hallways and over coffee, mentors found by chance, and ideas that travel home in workable form. Legal Tech Connect brings investors and founders into the mix, which raises the quality of dialogue on funding, product focus, and adoption. Looking ahead, they predict fewer conferences, higher quality bars, and a shift toward substance over appearance. Listeners who want more details, including registration, should visit kmniforlegal.com and legaltechconnect.com. The two events sit side by side in October, and the goal is simple, leave with practical ideas, new contacts, and a clearer view of where legal innovation heads next.
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Transcript:
Nikki Shaver (00:01)
Hi, it’s Nikki Shaver here, just dropping by from Legal Tech Hub to let you know a little bit about the event we held last week in Washington, DC. This was one in our series of events for mid-sized firms, firms that we classify as being from about 50 lawyers to about 200 lawyers. We had about 50 people attend. We had speakers ranging from Ed Walters of vLex to Rob Berger of Sterne Kessler.
and we had firms in the room anywhere from the size of four lawyers up to about 270 lawyers. It was a great event. We covered all kinds of topics around generative AI and how law firms of that size can really prove to be more nimble and agile in the way that they deploy generative AI and derive significant benefits from deploying it internally. We look forward to our next such events. We have one coming up in Boston in October.
and another one in Miami and then Atlanta later in the year. And our next LTH flagship event is in New York on September 18th. So drop by our website, legaltechnologyhub.com. And if you’ll look at our top menu, you’ll see ⁓ events and you’ll be able to click on that, find LTH events and be able to find out more information and register. We do hope to see many of you there. Greg, back over to you.
Marlene Gebauer (01:29)
Welcome to The Geek in Review, the podcast focused on innovative and creative ideas in the legal industry. I’m Marlene Gabauer.
Greg Lambert (01:36)
And I’m Greg Lambert and this week we are joined by our friend Patrick DiDomenico and Kevin Klein to talk about the up. Yeah, Kevin’s a friend too. Sure.
Marlene Gebauer (01:45)
Kevin is also a friend.
Kevin Klein (01:47)
Thank you,
thank you.
Patrick DiDomenico (01:48)
Our enemy, arch nemesis.
Marlene Gebauer (01:50)
Patrick, Patrick, friend and Kevin.
Patrick DiDomenico (01:52)
Yeah, yeah.
Greg Lambert (01:52)
That’s how Kevin’s used to being introduced anyway. they are ⁓ both ⁓ here to talk about the upcoming KM&I for legal conference, which is now in its third year, ⁓ which will be co-located with a brand new event called Legal Tech Connect, both happening side by side in October this year in New York from October 22nd to the 23rd. So Patrick and Kevin, thanks for.
Kevin Klein (01:56)
Yeah, I ride in the sidecar.
Marlene Gebauer (01:59)
Ha ha
Patrick DiDomenico (01:59)
You
Marlene Gebauer (01:59)
ha.
you
Greg Lambert (02:21)
Thanks for joining us.
Kevin Klein (02:22)
Thanks for having us. Good to be here.
Patrick DiDomenico (02:23)
Thank you. Thanks for having us.
Marlene Gebauer (02:24)
So Patrick, you’ve been building KM&I for a few years and the first two years were single track, but this year you’ve expanded to multiple rooms and as Greg said, partnered with LegalTech Connect. So what drove this change and what do you hope attendees will take away?
Patrick DiDomenico (02:43)
Yeah, yeah, we’re super excited about that. Yeah, KM&I has been doing well, I think, for the last few years. You know, it’s a bit of a complicated answer because there’s so much to it, especially involving Kevin, right? Yeah, good. Well, you know, because I’ve known Kevin for 20 years now and as probably just about everybody watching here knows, he was
Marlene Gebauer (02:53)
Good. have two questions on it.
Greg Lambert (02:55)
Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (03:02)
the lead and basically the creator of the ARK KM Conference, which for, since 2005 was the KM Conference. And then when he left there, it kind of didn’t do so well and faded away and gave us an opportunity to do KM&I.
And again, we sort of built that up and I finally twisted Kevin’s arm hard enough to join me at KM&I and I know he’s still sore, you know, he’ll admit it. ⁓
Kevin Klein (03:32)
I’ll be okay. Yeah, I’ll be all right.
Patrick DiDomenico (03:35)
So I couldn’t be happier about that because there’s no one better to help produce this type of content. And if you’re in this industry, you know, Kevin, and even if you don’t know Kevin, you know his work because he’s always kind of behind the scenes and quiet about things. So super excited about that. It’s going to be even better than it has been the last couple of years that we’ve been doing it. And then that Legal Tech Connect aspect of it is.
you know, had this idea of sort of expanding the the the areas of legal tech connect that we can that we can address because KM&I is very niche, right? It’s just about knowledge management innovation. But we saw the opportunity to sort of expand that to broader legal tech And when we found the venue that we have, and I’m sure we’ll talk about the venue a little bit.
We realized it’s so big, it has such great rooms. We could kind of do more content this year. And if we come up with some really interesting content, we could do this dual, it’s technically two different conferences, but it’s almost like, as you suggested, like a dual track type of thing.
So two sets of content going on at the same time. All of the networking is together, which is great because it’ll bring these two similar crowds together for great networking. So it was really in some ways opportunistic. And because of Kevin and my partnership, the timing of that, everything just came together. It’s kind of like an alignment of all the stars and planets that made it come together like this and a huge undertaking. But, you know,
Kevin and I started really working on this in earnest in May or June and It’s going great and we’re super excited about it. It’s just it’s starting to really really come together. So we’re excited
Greg Lambert (05:15)
Yeah. And Kevin, I’ll ask first of all, where are you kind of hoping that the attendees take away from this and then kind of explain the two tracks that are going on?
Kevin Klein (05:28)
Sure.
Yeah, to sort of pick up where Patrick left off. I think the space itself was kind of the genesis for the idea to build something just because there was the opportunity to build something alongside KM&I. And KM&I is very much a peer-to-peer event. If you go back to the arc days, Cam Legal was kind of, it often was referred to as like a homecoming, right? It was in the fall, it was in October.
Back then, there weren’t quite as many legal tech events happening in the market. So there was ILTA, there was ARK there was Legal Week. Now it’s a very different landscape, obviously. But ARK KM was like, it’s a community. It’s always historically been very tight knit. And it was an opportunity for everybody to hang out for a couple days in New York. So I think, you know,
As a peer-to-peer conference, think that’s intact, right? It’s still very peer-to-peer. It’s about what folks within law firms are doing, how they’re addressing challenges and opportunities. think Legal Tech Connect is kind of the inverse in that it’s very product focused. We’re going to be shining a light on a lot of startups, companies that a lot of folks probably haven’t heard of, some that are more established, but
They’re kind of mirror images of one another, are kind of the inverse. Where Legal Tech Connect is very product-focused, we’ll hear from the founders of these companies, their origin stories. And it’s also, you the aperture is broadened. It’s kind of broadly market-focused, things that are happening around, you know, UPL and ABS and competitive implications of the regulatory environment and things that…
I think a lot of folks within the KM&I community would be acutely interested in, but not, these are topics and themes that wouldn’t necessarily land on a KM&I agenda. So, I think they’re highly complimentary. You know, we can talk about the mechanics of how this is all going to work, but we want, we certainly built it with the idea in mind that this would appeal to everybody. And there is a crossover ticket, right? So, you can sign up for one and.
for a couple extra hundred dollars, you can get this crossover ticket where you can basically go ride all the rides at Disneyland. ⁓ You go wherever you want. ⁓ So, ⁓ great idea. Yeah, go right to the front of the line. Yeah, so I think all in all, think what the venue holds 325 people-ish, Patrick, if that’s right. ⁓ So we’re hoping to put a really compelling couple of days together and.
Greg Lambert (07:40)
Do you also have an express pass?
Marlene Gebauer (07:44)
I was going to say, do you have the little band? It’s like, that’s,
that’s important.
Patrick DiDomenico (07:55)
Yeah, that’s right.
Kevin Klein (08:02)
really excited about it.
Greg Lambert (08:03)
Just curious, the attendees, know normally with KM&I, had a lot of tech leaders, a lot of KM folks that show up here. Who are you also hoping to draw in as an attendee that may not have wanted to do the KM&I
Kevin Klein (08:24)
Well, I think an important cohort, if you will, is the investment community, which again, seeing a tip of the hat to TLTF and what they have built, right? know, focusing on that component of the ecosystem has become really important and fascinating, right? I mean, the sin flux of capital is accelerating, well, arguably adoption of AI tools and tech. And I think
That’s certainly, you know, one cohort to focus on that historically we haven’t had an investment contingent attending the events we’ve done historically. And then really, you know, that focus on the founder’s journey and the origin stories of these products and what they’re solving for. And a lot of them are very, you know, point solution oriented. They’re doing one thing extremely well, right? ⁓
I think we’re going to dig very deep into what, under the broader umbrella of innovation, how they’re conceiving of these products, how they work, and how they work in practice. So it will be broadening the landscape relative to who’s in the room, no doubt.
Marlene Gebauer (09:29)
So I want to talk a little bit about the location. Patrick, you kind of mentioned that a little bit earlier and I guess the question is two part, part of it is location and part of it is the value prop. So why co-location and tell us a little bit about how that works ⁓ in the location you decided. Also, as Kevin mentioned, this is sort of a new idea, sort of bringing in
you know, the investment angle, I guess, and the build angle to the conference. you know, when people are trying to choose their conferences and getting, you know, getting their firms to cover those costs, sort of what’s the value prop in your mind?
Patrick DiDomenico (10:16)
Yeah, yeah, great questions. The location. Yeah, that’s OK. I’ll try to keep him straight. Yeah, the location, I’ll tell you. So we had a great location last year. was right in Midtown. It’s called convene. Really fantastic space.
Marlene Gebauer (10:18)
Sorry, there’s two.
Kevin Klein (10:19)
You
Greg Lambert (10:20)
At least.
Patrick DiDomenico (10:31)
And we were looking around for other great spaces because every year so far we’ve grown. We went from I think 185 the first year to 230 the second year last year. And we kind of outgrew that space. I don’t think it felt cramped or anything, but we knew if we were going to get any bigger, we needed a bigger space. So we went, you know, looking around. And this fantastic space by this company called Ease Hospitality.
It’s on 3rd Avenue at 40th Street, right near Grand Central Station, so centrally located. And when we saw it, we were just like in awe. It’s beautiful.
The space is massive. The rooms are great. There’s all this live actual live plants in the place. It’s just it’s it’s like the nicest airport lounge you’ve ever been to. It’s just super comfortable and just you just want to hang out there all day. I visited it three times and I just tried to make excuses to come back and visit again. It’s just it’s just wonderful. Just a wonderful space and all the technology there is is great too. And it was interesting.
Marlene Gebauer (11:30)
So everyone’s gonna have Wi-Fi, they can plug
in their laptops. ⁓
Patrick DiDomenico (11:33)
Yeah,
Greg Lambert (11:33)
you
Patrick DiDomenico (11:34)
exactly right. Exactly right. Yeah. And actually, you know, come to speak of that. One of the things we learned last year was a lot of people sometimes they they want to be in the in the main room, right, to see the stuff. But a lot of times you got to take a call. You got to do some emails. So one of the rooms that we have is an overflow room. So it’ll have great tables and we’ll be broadcasting what’s in the main room into the overflow room. So if you need to take a call, if you need to do some
work on your laptop or whatever you can do that. So there’s just so, and there’s tons of seating and tons of tables. And then the other great thing about it, what really put us over the top on this is when we were touring it, they’re showing us the conference center area. And this is, I think it’s like the seventh floor of this high-rise in Midtown.
And we went when we went in, we turned to the left and go toward the conference center. I look over my shoulder to the right and there’s like a coffee shop over there. like, OK, let me think about that. I just got a thumbs up there. So we tour the thing and then we’re heading out. And I go, you know, what’s what’s up with the coffee shop over there? He’s like, that’s the building’s tenant lounge. That’s where any person in the building come in and grab a coffee, you know, hang out. There’s a ping pong table. There’s an outdoor terrace.
There’s two by the way. And there’s all this lounge here. There’s selfie booths. There’s private little meeting rooms. And I’m like, you ever rent that out as part of this? And they’re like, not really. But so anyway, long story short, we got that tenant lounge too. So this whole additional lounge.
for people to hang out and really connect, right? And that’s, I think, one of the most important things. Of course, the content is great. It always is. We have, I think, the best speakers, especially last year, we had this guy called Greg Lambert on stage. He was fantastic.
Greg Lambert (13:14)
Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (13:15)
Hahaha.
Patrick DiDomenico (13:16)
The content’s always great, but people really want to connect and network, and this space just blows that out. It’s just amazing. So we’re super, super excited about it. So the space is great. Really excited about that. And of course, I can’t remember the second, the combination of LegalTech Connect and KM&I. As Kevin sort of ⁓ talked about already,
Kevin Klein (13:16)
Haha.
Marlene Gebauer (13:35)
Mm-hmm.
Patrick DiDomenico (13:39)
These communities, and I do believe, I don’t use that word lightly, I think it’s very true, as Kevin said, about the community, KM&I community. These communities are kind like a Venn diagram overlap situation, right? Of course we have the law firm folks, the chiefs and the directors and the KM attorneys and all those folks, innovation folks.
We have the vendors too, the sponsors, a lot of them, and great ones too. The missing piece, and as Kevin sort of suggested, the missing piece that I do believe, you’re right Kevin, it has accelerated the adoption of not just AI technology, but a lot of other technologies. I was having an interesting conversation with someone about that yesterday. Bringing those folks into the mix.
is really helping, right? It’s helping in many ways. Obviously the investment helps everybody, right? But also…
you know, the investment community kind of pushes people forward a little bit more than maybe law firms or lawyers or others are comfortable with. And I think that’s a good thing for us because I think, you know, we could use a push forward. So bringing those two communities together that are complementary, I think is going to make this, you know, greater than the sum of its parts. I’m excited about it.
Greg Lambert (14:52)
Well, I know last year you were excited about the food offering that was at the conference. How’s this year’s food offering looking?
Patrick DiDomenico (15:01)
Unfortunately, the food is going to be horrible this year. It’s not going to be very nice. Yes. Bag bag lunches and everything. No, even again, even yes, I would like some cotton candy. Yeah. No, it’s it’s again, very similar situation. Just really high level food. The menu looks amazing. So I’m excited about it, too. Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (15:04)
hahahahah
Greg Lambert (15:04)
Ha ha!
Kevin Klein (15:04)
dogs.
Yeah.
County Fair style, Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (15:10)
Nice.
Greg Lambert (15:11)
corn
dogs and turkey legs.
Marlene Gebauer (15:12)
Fried everything.
Kevin Klein (15:14)
Yep.
Greg Lambert (15:25)
Well, we mentioned earlier that KM&I is on its third year. And so you’ve kind of got your legs underneath you now. So what is it that you’ve looked at from the past two conferences that you go, wow, this really works. We want to make sure that we keep this. But at the same time, we want to make sure that we’re bringing in some new things or some interesting or try some interesting things out.
⁓ So, you know, how are you looking to evolve the conference experience itself?
Patrick DiDomenico (15:58)
Yeah, great question. You know, a few of the things that I think are unique to KM&I and that people have really given good feedback on. First, they just love the.
We get universal great feedback about this about the speakers we we always as you know, we always you know vet the speakers very what very Well, we want to make sure we have the best speakers and talking about the most relevant topics Which I think we’ve done again, especially with Kevin’s input, you know, he’s like I said I don’t think there’s anyone better than him when it comes to coming up with content Yes
Greg Lambert (16:29)
Yeah, I’ve been vetted by Kevin before. He’s tough.
Patrick DiDomenico (16:32)
He rejects 99.9 % of our proposed speakers and only the best price that’s up.
Greg Lambert (16:37)
Yeah. He’s the
Kevin Klein (16:38)
Yeah.
Greg Lambert (16:40)
Yale Law School of conferences.
Patrick DiDomenico (16:42)
That’s right. That’s right. That’s right.
People kind of get upset with them once in a while. But you know some of the other features I think that are unique and that people love and I didn’t realize people would like this as much as I thought they would.
Kevin Klein (16:44)
boy, here we go. Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (16:55)
what we have instead of, know, because we don’t put sponsors on the stage at KM&I. But of course the sponsors need to get the word out about what they do. So there’s two ways we do that. And I was surprised how much, I knew the sponsors would like it, but I didn’t realize how much the, you know, non-sponsor attendees would like it. And one of those things is our five minute sponsor spotlights. So between most of the substantive sessions,
we’ll have a sponsor come up and do five minutes and they, you know, they.
tell whether to industry update or a product demo or something like that, whatever it is to get five minutes, start the clock and you know, when the buzzer rings, you’re off. But it’s a great way for for attendees to get a great sense of what that sponsor is offering very, very quickly, right? So then you can say, that’s not relevant to me, or that’s definitely relevant to me. And now I’m going to go out and see them in the sponsor gallery and have a more substantive chat.
The second thing along those lines is the sponsors can have demo rooms. So these other rooms that we have in the event space during our coffee breaks, which are morning and afternoon coffee breaks, and by the way, they’re not just like 10 minute coffee breaks. These are 35 to 40 minute coffee breaks, because people want to network and see their friends and everything. And one hour for lunch.
During these breaks and lunch periods, vendors can do these demo rooms and really dive deeper into showing those interested people whatever their products and services are. So I knew it would be very popular among the sponsors, but the non-sponsor attendees have told us, this is amazing because it allows us to get.
a really good sense of what these sponsors are all about in a very short period of time. And then we can do our other stuff at the conference, see our friends and absorb the content, et cetera. So those are just a couple of things that I think are really compelling and unique to our event.
Kevin Klein (18:54)
Patrick, would, I’m going to ask you to add some color to this just because I’m new to the scene. but the, the breakouts, I think that’s something that you’ve had in play, I believe both years. was there last year. the, the breakouts are still part of the program. ⁓ Patrick, if you want to provide like a high level on that and why you’ve kept it on the program. Now I’m asking the questions. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (19:15)
Yeah, yeah. Good point. I know, right. When we have when we have Marlene answer that.
Greg Lambert (19:18)
Ha ha.
Kevin Klein (19:20)
Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (19:20)
Yeah
Patrick DiDomenico (19:22)
No, the breakouts are great and they’re also super, super popular. you
In previous years, we’ve just had that one track, but the breakouts were sort of an attempt to give certain affinity groups, I suppose, their own special content, right? Because you’ve got, we’ve come up with four main groups that are, I think, covered just about everybody in the KM&I world, at least the ones that attend this conference. You’ve got the leaders, right? And the C-suite roundtable is that breakout. So this is exclusive to chiefs or if you’re
title happens not to be a chief but you’re the head of KM or innovation and or innovation at your organization you can go to the C-suite roundtable and that by the way is the only session that is exclusive to that to one group and you know kind of want to closed-door thing where they can speak frankly about stuff without concern of you know too much eavesdropping ⁓ yeah yeah exactly right exactly right yeah
Greg Lambert (20:16)
little Chatham House rules going on.
Patrick DiDomenico (20:21)
So then we have ⁓ sort of the opposite of that would be KM 101. This is for the newbies and we always have about you know 25 to 30 percent new folks at the event and you don’t have to be brand new you know it’s usually from zero to three years is what who ⁓ the folks that go into that room and this is as it sounds it’s the sort of the basics of KM&I crash course if you will. For those who are new or maybe just you know starting you know a couple years in it’s a great way to get the sort of big
picture for for those folks. The next group is KM attorneys or PSL’s whatever they call them. You know these are the you know practicing or former practicing attorneys that really concentrate on the substantive ⁓ content right doing various things to get those who really focus on the content bringing together the you know the
clause banks and templates and forms and other KM content, that type of thing. And of course, there’s other things that those folks do, but that’s the third group. And then the fourth group is sort of everyone else. It’s the directors, managers, the middle management, if you will. And actually this one came, this was a change from the first year because the first year we didn’t have that group and it was actually Rachel Shills Williams who said, you know, there’s a gap here and we need
somewhat some some a group for the as she called it the middle and that’s I think that’s what we called it last year and she she was the facilitator for that group so I think we have everyone sort of covered with those four groups and it really is has been a hit so thanks for reminding me of that Kevin you know there’s so much so much good stuff that’s hard to remember it all
Kevin Klein (21:57)
Yeah, yeah. There was one other point
I wanted to highlight there. We were talking about the fact that providers don’t typically take the stage aside from the five-minute spotlight on the KM&I stage. I’d like to point out that the Legal Tech Connect event is, again, the inverse of that, where it’s all about the product. It’s all about what they’re solving for. again, if I can turn the questions back to Marlene and Greg to some degree.
know, Patrick and I talk about this all the time. You know, historically, if we’re looking at the last 20 years, right, go back through the arc came of, you know, days. It was, it evolved over time to the extent that we put providers on stage as thought leaders. I think in the last couple of years, particularly since the gen AI thing hit a couple of years ago, my perception is that
Audiences want to hear from the providers about what’s driving the development and application of these tools. However, I think it’s unique if you look across the landscape relative to legal tech events. Providers are on stage everywhere at all these events. So the KAM and I event is kind of in a unique position now as a true peer-to-peer event where really it is firm speaking.
to and about their own projects. ⁓ I just wondered, Greg and Marlene, do you guys have thoughts and opinions on that? putting yourself in the shoes of an attendee, how do you react to that?
Greg Lambert (23:16)
Yeah. Well,
we’ll send you our consultant fee after this as well. I think, you know, over the past couple of years, you know, if I want to see a Jeff Pfeiffer or Mike Dane get up and kind of talk big overall strategy of what a company is doing, I would find that extremely interesting just to ⁓ kind of get a chance to hear.
Marlene Gebauer (23:21)
Hehehehehe
Kevin Klein (23:21)
Yeah,
Greg Lambert (23:42)
you know, the leadership of these corporations or maybe even startups on, you know, here’s what we are facing in trying to implement AI into a company that’s, know, 160 years old and trying to do that and adopt. Because a lot of times some of the same hurdles that they run into in trying to implement it into a product
are some of the same hurdles that we run into in trying to implement it into a process. And so I think if you can stand back and see the parallels, there’s some value there. I think most of us, why we don’t usually have vendors up there talking is because we don’t want to be sold to. We’re paying to attend a conference.
and why am I paying to attend a conference and then also listening to someone who’s trying to take more money from a pitch. And so I think there’s a balance to be struck there. And quite frankly, I think most of the vendors understand that balance, at least the ones that would get up and talk about it. Marlene, what’s your thoughts?
Marlene Gebauer (24:35)
pitch.
Kevin Klein (24:44)
They do.
Marlene Gebauer (24:49)
Yeah. So I think, and I will quote, I’m going to get her name wrong. Alona, Alona, last name. Help me. Log Benova. Sorry, Alona. ⁓ Hopefully we got it right. ⁓ One thing I heard her say one time is, is, is it’s, it’s a three-legged stool. So, you know, you have the developers, you have the investors and you have the buyers.
Patrick DiDomenico (24:56)
Yeah, Logvinova, yeah. I hope I said her name right correctly. Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (25:14)
And that really struck me because I think now more than ever, having the ability of all of those groups to kind of come together and have conversations you’re already seeing is making an impact. You’re seeing some of these partnerships that are happening and exploring. You get a better sense of, Greg was talking about large companies, let’s talk about the small companies.
Point solutions, yes, what are they trying to solve, but are they flexible enough to move in different directions if they get feedback from buyers or investors that we think that this is a good way to go. And these types of events, I think, help those conversations come along and benefit all of us.
Kevin Klein (26:02)
Yeah, Marlene, I think you just described Legal Tech Connect, right? Is that three-legged stool? Yeah, exactly. This is getting costly, Patrick. Yes. Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (26:03)
Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (26:06)
Boom, boom, I’ll send my marketing fee. There you go.
Patrick DiDomenico (26:09)
Yes, marketing fee and consultation fee. Yeah, I know. I know. I thought this is going to be good for us, but maybe not.
Greg Lambert (26:09)
Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (26:12)
Very costly to be on this website and this podcast.
Greg Lambert (26:12)
Yeah. ⁓
Patrick DiDomenico (26:19)
By the way, I couldn’t agree more, by the way, and to both of your points, I would say 95 % of the time.
the sponsors and vendors, they adopt that concept of the community that we were talking about earlier, right? And they don’t treat you like a dollar sign target. They’re not just trying to pitch to you, but we’ve all experienced that one vendor who’s on a panel and they go rogue and it’s like, hey, I know this isn’t what we were gonna talk about, but let me pull up a demo really quickly.
I’ve had bad experiences with that, so I’ve become allergic to it. And quite frankly, maybe it was an overreaction to not put sponsors on the stage in the way that we do, but it sort of worked out well because of the way we do that.
And again, it’s one of those bad apples, spoil the bunch type of thing. But again, it turns out that I think a lot of people appreciate it. And I do think the point was made earlier as well. You know, making sure you’ve got the right people in the room, right, who are not going to take advantage, who are going to truly.
be members of the community and who are partners. And I think we’re seeing a lot more of that these days, which I really enjoy and I think it’s great. So I think it’s a good balance and a good mix of folks that we have. So I’m excited about it.
Greg Lambert (27:49)
Yeah,
before we jump off ⁓ on that topic, I think a lot of us that were there last year want to know, did Joshua Fireman convince you to bring in the wrestling ring this year and have a little MMA action going on?
Patrick DiDomenico (28:05)
We’re still working on that. know, it’s it’s we couldn’t get the insurance policy to cover that. It’s just astronomically expensive. So we’re going to we’re going to figure it out at one point for sure. ⁓ He told. Yeah, he told me he’s not going to actually retire until he gets to do that. So we’re definitely working on it because that guy needs to retire, man. Of course, I’m just kidding.
Greg Lambert (28:07)
Okay.
Marlene Gebauer (28:07)
Yeah.
Greg Lambert (28:19)
maybe in year four.
Yeah. Well, tell me, he definitely needs to show up in the tights.
Kevin Klein (28:29)
So with the.
Patrick DiDomenico (28:32)
Yes, Baby
Kevin Klein (28:33)
wrestling
Patrick DiDomenico (28:33)
steps.
Kevin Klein (28:34)
all takers, all comers. Joshua just, that’s how that works. It’s an interesting image, Yeah, well, he’s been
Patrick DiDomenico (28:37)
I’m not sure. I’m not sure he knows that yet, but yes, that’s how it’s going to work.
Marlene Gebauer (28:40)
He does now.
All right. So, I’m going to get into more of the, the, the substantive part of the actual programming. Kevin, one of the themes this year is, is ROI from AI and KM tools, near and dear to my heart. So we’ve seen data points like LexisNexis reporting triple digit ROI and firms like Ogletree, showcasing client portals that demonstrate
real returns. So how are you addressing ROI on the agenda this year and what kinds of examples or case studies are you expecting to surface?
Kevin Klein (29:15)
I think that’s going to come up all over the place, quite frankly, I think throughout the agenda. As I think Patrick has said a number of times at the event last year and within some of the marketing, it’s a KM and Innovation Conference. It’s not an AI conference. However, there’s no escaping that AI is going to come up every probably four minutes, if not more often than that, within conversation.
Marlene Gebauer (29:33)
Nope.
Greg Lambert (29:34)
Yeah.
Kevin Klein (29:41)
You know, there’s a data strategy discussion kind of data as a differentiator. think you’re going to get some really great takeaways there. know Tim Fox, who’s part of that panel, is also on the Legal Tech Connect stage with Ivan Lee at Datasaur. They’re going to be talking about some co-development projects they’ve done, which will very clearly illustrate ROI. There’s another panel on the session called The Rise of the Legal Engineer, which
I think is interesting and it’s, it kind of speaks to the evolution of the function itself and kind of, you know, what skill sets are required moving forward for knowledge management and to what degree are our cam professionals, builders and connectors and tech stack developers and, you know, it’s, that’s the engineering piece, obviously.
But really it’s about scaling tools, driving adoption, and really that’s kind of where the rubber meets the road, right? So I think there’ll be a heavy ROI focus there as well. But I think in general, I think that’s gonna come up a lot. primary underpinning is client centricity throughout the program, which is another thread that I think is kind of tangential with ROI.
You know, I think these themes are going to be central to most of the discussions, honestly. Yeah.
Greg Lambert (30:54)
Yeah, well, let
me pull on the legal engineer.
thread a little bit. ⁓ I’ve been trying to think about this because this is, ⁓ you’re seeing these kind of engineers, you’re seeing data specialists coming in, you’re seeing some really unique and new roles coming into law firms. And kind of wondering where are you, are you,
Kevin Klein (31:00)
Yum.
Greg Lambert (31:22)
thinking there’s gonna be a preference on where these roles sit, because I think there’s kind of like three areas that you can look at, and that is the KM area, the whatever innovation area is being developed, and then the traditional IT area. Patrick or Kevin, either one of you can take this. Where do you see these new roles like a legal engineer really?
Marlene Gebauer (31:34)
you
Greg Lambert (31:46)
fitting best into the firm structure.
Patrick DiDomenico (31:49)
I’ll say I have my opinions about it, it depends. Well, let me think. ⁓ Well, first of all, the unfortunate thing, it’s not unfortunate. It’s just the reality of it is there’s so much diversity at law firms. Even, you know, how many years are we into this whole thing, right? I mean, 20 years, at least for me, you would think there’d start to be some standards, but there appeared to not be any standards. New titles.
Marlene Gebauer (31:51)
Don’t say it depends.
Greg Lambert (31:53)
Yeah
Kevin Klein (31:53)
Yeah
Marlene Gebauer (31:57)
You
Patrick DiDomenico (32:17)
are popping up all over the place. New departments, mean the legal engineer concept is pretty new, ⁓ but just eight to 10 years ago, nobody had innovation titles. So I think unfortunately in some ways, a lot of these are…
just words, they’re buzzwords. That’s the unfortunate side. The good side is some firms are actually taking it very seriously and they’re being thoughtful and strategic about what these new roles and titles actually mean. They’re not just engaging in innovation theater and just doing this for marketing purposes. So I’ll get off that soapbox. I think personally,
The best place for these new roles is a dedicated innovation group.
Now a lot of times that can and sometimes should be combined with a knowledge management group. Sometimes they can be separate, sometimes they can be combined. Last year we had a really interesting panel on that very topic, What’s your organizational structure? And it does, I’m sorry Marlene, it does depend because sometimes you have people in place already, right? And that works.
are in the situation where you can sort of start fresh, which you never are really, right? Then you might want to be more thoughtful about how that works. And I think if you were able to start fresh, I think an innovation group is where these sort of legal engineer roles should be. You know, it’s up for debate for sure. There’s more than one way to, I guess I shouldn’t say that one. I’ll say there’s many paths to the top of the mountain, right?
Kevin Klein (33:49)
There you go
Greg Lambert (33:49)
There we go.
Well done.
Marlene Gebauer (33:50)
You
Kevin Klein (33:52)
think it
maps to a firm’s capability, though. I mean, every firm holds a slightly different collective skill set in these areas, right? If you’ve got developers, you can build that out. know, lot of firms, John Scordato, great example, if I’m going to throw a name. You know, there aren’t a lot of him out there. But I think firms are, you know, great example of a legal engineer. And by the way, he’s on the panel with Joe. And I think, yeah, when Joe, I think,
Greg Lambert (34:18)
How could we?
Marlene Gebauer (34:20)
Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (34:21)
And
and and Alona as well to bring her name up again. And yeah, some other great folks to Dan Zabo, Joe Green from Gunderson. It’s a great panel. That’s going to be a good one. Sorry.
Kevin Klein (34:23)
That’s right. And Dan Zabo, if we’re going to round things out. We’ve got all the right people to talk about
Marlene Gebauer (34:23)
Yes.
Greg Lambert (34:28)
Yeah.
Kevin Klein (34:34)
this, but I think, like I said, these titles, I think logically would map to the firm’s capability. And hopefully, it’s not a hollow gesture, and I think some of it may be aspirational.
You know, that’s what differentiates firms in a lot of ways is even KM departments from one firm to the next, you know, different group of collective capability. see data strategy being another one. You see folks that have chief data strategist or these things in their title. And lot of them did come from KM if they came from within a law firm as opposed to being plucked out of a…
an adjacent vertical. But I think it’ll be interesting as firms become more tech forward in the coming years to see how tech impacts sort of the traditional KM function. And I think we’re already beginning to see that.
Marlene Gebauer (35:25)
Patrick, the opening keynote this year is from Professor Michelle DiStefano on enhancing client centricity. we mentioned client centricity a little bit earlier. Why was that the chosen lead-off message and how do you see KM Innovation Professionals moving closer to direct client value in their work?
Patrick DiDomenico (35:31)
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I actually have tried to get her to speak for a couple of years now and she had a conflict last year. So I reached out to her very earlier this year and I said, hey, you know, we’d love to have you and it worked out. So she’s fantastic. She’s written two books on the topic of client centricity. One is specifically for law firms and the second one is kind of an expansion of that for other professional, including law firms, but professional services. And by the way, everyone is going to get a free copy of her book. It’s called Leader
Greg Lambert (36:14)
All right.
Patrick DiDomenico (36:15)
upheaval a guide to client centricity culture creation and collaboration, so I’m excited to Give everybody a copy of that book You know and it I mean, it’s kind of a no-brainer really right when you think about it law firms exist to help their clients that is what they do and Increasingly clients are getting pickier and pickier and they’re demanding more and more and this has happened over
you know, since since the beginning of time, right? You know, we all some of us have experienced it and some of heard the stories of how law firms used to sort of say, you know, here’s the bill for this month. That’s 20 grand for services rendered and you know, no, no negotiation or anything like that. And that transition to I want to know exactly what you’re doing right. Give me an itemized bill. I want to be more involved. Now we have our own in-house legal department. We’re going to manage your work very
It’s going to be more of a collaboration between the client and the law firm. So that’s increasing more and more. And where we go in the future, especially with all the advanced technologies, some think that the client is going to take more work back. That’ll be interesting. I’m sure that topic’s going to be discussed quite a bit at the conference. But.
What doesn’t change is that law firms need to be client-centric and because knowledge management and innovation professionals are there to help the firm accomplish the firm’s goals, right? And I think sometimes we forget about that. We think about what we wanna do, what’s cool to us, what we wanna do, but really what we want to do as KM&I professionals.
should be to help the firm do what the firm is trying to do, which is serve those clients, right? We all need to be client centric, right? Right down to the last person at the firm. So her focus is just exactly that. She’s done hundreds of interviews with all types of clients and gotten to the heart of what they really want out of their law firms. And if we can learn, we as KM&I professionals can learn from her and what she’s learned from clients,
we can help our lawyers and help the firm do exactly that as well. it’s kind of a direct line to what the firms need to do strategically and client-focused wise, etc. So I think, you know, this is something that is really just central and indispensable to what we as CAM and I professionals need to focus on.
Kevin Klein (38:42)
There’s just to add one tidbit to that. There’s another panel. In fact, we’re still building this panel called the AI conversation, quote unquote. And it’s going to be a firm partner, a firm pricing director, a client and an innovation slash AI person. To Patrick’s point, kind of having that conversation, how to be more collaborative and really how to address the AI elephant in the room with respect to what
the clients are actually paying for, which is going to be probably a fairly touch and go type of discussion in the coming years, ⁓ as again, emerging tech sort of impedes on the business model broadly. So I think that’ll be a really interesting conversation as well that will very much have client centricity running through it.
Patrick DiDomenico (39:28)
Yeah, you know, just
I have to say another thing and one of the great things about this event being co located with LTC Legal Tech Connect. So Michelle is actually going to join another session after her keynote. She’s going to be joining a panel with Evan Shankman and Alona. Actually, again, her name. How many times does her name come up here?
Marlene Gebauer (39:50)
ears are burning somewhere.
Kevin Klein (39:50)
Bring her on.
Patrick DiDomenico (39:52)
So that panel is called How to Sell to Law Firms. So this is sort of the flip side of that, right? In many ways, right? This is how legal tech companies can understand what law firms are all about. She’s gonna be moderating that panel and you know, both Alona and Evan.
have excellent experience in working with vendors, understanding what they’re offering, partnering many, many times, partnering with those vendors. So I think that’s gonna be a really interesting one as well. But again, it’s the benefit of having these sort of overlapping professionals with overlapping interests and expertise. So it really kind of feeds off each other, and I think it’s just a fantastic opportunity. So we’re super grateful for all of them.
Greg Lambert (40:35)
Yeah. Well, I’m going to ask you guys to of zoom out ⁓ a little bit about the conference and start looking at, you know, we’ve got the LTC, we’ve got the KM&I, the two tracks. But what is it, or big picture that you think ⁓ is going to be coming out of these two conferences that, you your attendees and speakers and vendors.
going to come away with that kind of helps them start to figure out where we think the legal innovation is headed.
Now, Kevin, you want to take that one first?
Patrick DiDomenico (41:09)
Kevin, you want to start?
Kevin Klein (41:10)
Yeah, think, again, broadly, kind of mentioned this briefly at the top end is that I think legal innovation is no longer incremental. I think it’s sort of market level. I think
kind of high level, these two co-located events will do a really good job of illustrating that. Again, conversations that KM&I get into roles and workflows and culture, while LTC is really focused on the external forces, AI native startups, capital flows, regulatory change, and together pushing the market forward. So I think it is telling a story.
I don’t know if you’ve heard the term, probably have this law firm 2.0 model, which is tech forward, data driven, client centric. I think it’s, again, just in terms of a snapshot of this moment in time, I think it’s going to do an excellent job of capturing that.
Greg Lambert (41:57)
Patrick, do you see?
Patrick DiDomenico (41:57)
Yeah, yeah.
You know, there’s the obvious stuff, right? The content, the speakers, you know. But then and I’ve gotten this sense personally, but I’ve also heard it from others, which helps me, you know. Helps me prove to myself, at least that I’m not crazy.
Kevin Klein (42:14)
That’s worth something.
Patrick DiDomenico (42:15)
Yeah, or maybe they’re just voices that I’m hearing.
the message I get a lot is, you know, I wasn’t sure about whether I should go to the event, to the conference. But first of all, you know, it was great. And then they say, but there’s something about it and it’s almost ineffable. I can’t actually put my finger on it. It’s the community, it’s the people, it’s the…
little interactions that you have, you know, in while you’re grabbing coffee, it’s that I met someone new, can’t, several people have have said to me, my god, I’m so glad I met so and so because they become sort of a mentor to me, I had no idea that someone, you know, had these same experiences, and I was able to really get some good
advice that I didn’t even think I needed that type of thing. It’s it’s almost like the serendipity to this event. And I think that has a lot to do and says a lot about the people who are attracted to what we do and the people in this room. They’re all so generous.
This is a great example. You guys having us on this on this podcast. mean, you guys have been great. You’re always trying to expand the exposure of the types of things that we all do and everything. It’s just such a great community. And I think that’s really one of the biggest and best things about this. And I think bringing in that I mentioned it before, but I’m super excited about it. Bring that in that other side, that LTC side, because it’s such a, I think, a
complementary
group of folks. I think it’s just gonna be next level. So I think that’s gonna be a big part of it. That’s the takeaway for me. think Yeah
Marlene Gebauer (43:51)
Okay guys, we have come to the part of the podcast where we ask the crystal ball question. So looking ahead a few years, what do you think conferences like KM&I will look like? Will we be going to them? Will we be remote? Will ROI from AI still be the dominant theme? Or will we be talking quant computing? ⁓ Do you see new challenges on the horizon that KM and innovation professionals should start preparing for?
Greg Lambert (44:12)
You
Marlene Gebauer (44:19)
for
Kevin Klein (44:20)
That’s a good one.
Patrick DiDomenico (44:21)
I hate the crystal ball question. It’s so hard. Especially about the future, that’s right.
Marlene Gebauer (44:23)
Chris, the Valkressin’s great.
Greg Lambert (44:23)
That’s like they say, prediction is really hard, especially if it’s about the future.
Kevin Klein (44:23)
⁓ you can’t
Well,
with respect to conferences, I think at some point the pendulum will probably swing the other way and there’ll probably be fewer of them, I think. Very, yeah. You know, there’s probably a tipping point somewhere. You know, the audience for these events is finite and it’s not terrifically huge, right? So, you know, that’s one thing. In terms of how it’s delivered, I don’t know, maybe there’ll be holograms of
Speakers popping up from all corners of the world, you know, the tech enablement piece could have interesting implications But you know what it is we’ll be talking about, you know, I do believe That there will be broad business model changes and implications brought about by emerging tech that will Reshape the business of law. I think at this point, there’s very little pushback on that if it’s safe to So I think that’ll be
one of the more interesting concepts and themes to explore just from a creative standpoint how firms are going to market essentially. You know, and will it be?
Will services be largely unbundled where you have automation that can drill into one thing exceptionally well at a lower price point, which that sort of thing alone will cause quite a bit of disruption. I think there’s a segment of the market that’s probably untouchable, the sort of bet the business type of litigation thing. I don’t see that necessarily changing, but that’s just a small segment.
I know, those are a couple of my views, Patrick, don’t know, agree, disagree?
Patrick DiDomenico (46:02)
You covered all the bases there, Kevin. I think you made all the predictions. I’m just kidding. No, I agree. I definitely agree about the conference scene. There’s ridiculous numbers of conferences out there. I think that’ll, I think some, I don’t know if it’ll be consolidation or if it’ll just be that folks just decide not to do them for various reasons.
Kevin Klein (46:06)
haha
Greg Lambert (46:07)
Ha ha ha ha!
Marlene Gebauer (46:07)
Ha
Patrick DiDomenico (46:27)
but actually it’s funny because that reminds me of a, that struck me. and I wrote a little LinkedIn article about it. it’s never been easier to do things, but it’s never been harder to do them. Well, podcasts are a good example, right? You got, how long have you guys been doing this? 10 plus year. I, I mean, you guys are among the, I, I, it, you guys are among the, the, pioneers.
Greg Lambert (46:44)
seven years.
Marlene Gebauer (46:45)
Seven years.
Greg Lambert (46:50)
We started a week before Bob
Ambroci did.
Patrick DiDomenico (46:53)
See, there you go.
Kevin Klein (46:53)
Is that right?
Marlene Gebauer (46:53)
That’s right. That’s
that’s our claim to fame.
Kevin Klein (46:56)
I think of Three Geeks as one of the original legal
Patrick DiDomenico (46:57)
That’s good. Yeah.
Greg Lambert (46:59)
Yeah, the blog’s been around
Kevin Klein (46:59)
podcasts. Yeah.
Greg Lambert (47:00)
for 18 years. yeah, the blog, the three gigs. Yeah. Blog’s been around for a while.
Marlene Gebauer (47:01)
Yeah, that’s been around much longer. The blog.
Patrick DiDomenico (47:03)
Which one? your blog. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that’s why I was thinking it was longer, right? Well, blogging
Kevin Klein (47:03)
wow.
Yeah. Yeah.
Patrick DiDomenico (47:09)
too, right? But it’s so easy to spin up a podcast or spin up a conference these days. There’s software that helps you do it more easily than ever. But the devil’s in the details, right? Yours is great because of all the things you do. And we’ve obviously been through the preparation and everything else.
⁓ conferences are the same. They’re very difficult to do well. Easy to spin one up and just get a bunch of people in a room. And that’s what we try to do. So that’s one thing and I think there will be some, there’ll be fewer in the future. I think one of the things I think about in terms of our profession is I think there’s going to be
⁓
How do I put this? There’s gonna be a bigger focus on substance over appearance. And I kind of mentioned that earlier. Innovation theater, right?
People are getting more serious about actually doing things. I remember when I started out doing this 20 years ago, very few firms were doing KM. Nobody talked about innovation. And then some of the bigger firms started putting people in these positions, but they were just really just to put out a headline that, we do this too.
But they weren’t doing it substantively. And quite frankly, some of the smaller firms, the scrappier firms, like some of them that I’ve worked for.
they felt that they had to do it to compete. And now I think some even the larger firms are understanding that they have to do it to compete as well. And I think that’s a good thing. And I think there’s a lot of pressure from clients that’s driving that. And just competition between and among those firms. I think that’s a good thing. And I’m excited about it because nothing is more irritating than just, you know.
What is the expression? Talking the talk, right? You’re actually walking the talk, actually doing it, walk the walk. Yeah, exactly right. So, ⁓ and I think, again, I think that’s a good thing and I hope that, I see it happening and I hope it continues to happen.
Marlene Gebauer (48:52)
You gotta walk the walk.
Greg Lambert (49:03)
Yeah. Well guys, before we roll out, I wanted to ask you both to name like one, maybe two resources that are your go-to to kind of keep up with all the changes that are going on. So ⁓ Patrick, what are some things that, where do you learn?
Marlene Gebauer (49:20)
Where do you learn?
Patrick DiDomenico (49:22)
Yeah, absolutely. Well, there’s a lot of great there are a number of good podcasts and blogs like your own, of course, so that primarily you know, another one that I that I has relatively new, although I learned yesterday, I think that he’s up to like 80 episodes is ⁓ Ted theater, OPLIS’s podcast. Very good legal innovation spotlight. I think it’s
Marlene Gebauer (49:42)
He’s been on, yep.
Patrick DiDomenico (49:43)
Yep, yeah, he does a great job. LinkedIn, as much as it’s a little bit annoying because I think it’s gone through some changes, I get a lot of information from there. And then my latest tool, not surprisingly, are some of the chat GPTs and perplexities and setting up like, you know.
⁓ sort of Google alerts on steroids, if you will, right? So I’m finding that very helpful. You know, it’s hit and miss, but it surfaces enough that it’s definitely worth doing.
Greg Lambert (50:14)
And Kevin, what’s one or two things that you go to?
Kevin Klein (50:17)
Yeah,
so this is a rather obvious answer, but it’s the truth. I’ve been to hundreds of tech and otherwise legal practice management conferences. By far and away, that’s hearing people on stage, whether I put the event together or not, that’s where I learned the most. And with respect to the events that I’ve produced myself, that production process involves
typically hundreds, dozens of conversations. Again, far and away, that’s where I learned the most is just talking to people one-on-one, understanding their challenges, what they’re solving for, what, you there’s nothing that comes close. But as far as a resource, I was going to mention Ted’s podcast, I think is fantastic. I think Three Geeks is fantastic. I’ve been tuning into both for years.
And yeah, LinkedIn in general, you have a lot of one-off people that just pontificate on one thing or the other, write an article and there it is. You could spend the entire day scrolling on LinkedIn and lose hours and hours, but we probably need to rebrand that. It’s not necessarily doom scroll, but yes, same activity, same exercise, but there’s so much good content that it’s just emanating from every angle.
Marlene Gebauer (51:17)
Doom scrolling on LinkedIn. It’s a new pastime.
Greg Lambert (51:20)
Yeah.
Kevin Klein (51:32)
Every time you subscribe to a newsletter on LinkedIn, you wake up and how many articles are in your inbox that, I mean, that’s, those are among the first things I see when I wake up is, you know, five, six, seven different articles and yeah, so it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, definitely a challenge to stay on top of all of these things. And you do have to kind of whittle things down and pick and choose, but thankfully.
within this community there’s an abundance of great content and great thinkers. So, yeah.
Greg Lambert (51:59)
Well, Patrick DiDomenico and Kevin Klein, thank you both very much for coming in and talking us here on the Geek in Review. And excited about the KM&I and LTC conferences that are coming up in October. So thanks.
Patrick DiDomenico (52:00)
Ahem.
Kevin Klein (52:08)
Thank you.
Patrick DiDomenico (52:17)
Thank you guys
Kevin Klein (52:17)
Thank you
both, it’s been great to be here.
Patrick DiDomenico (52:18)
so much. really appreciate you. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Marlene Gebauer (52:21)
Yeah.
And thank you guys. And thanks to all of you, our listeners for taking the time to listen to the Geek in Review podcast. If you enjoy the show, share it with a colleague. We’d love to hear from you on LinkedIn.
Greg Lambert (52:34)
And there’s LinkedIn again. We’ll make sure that we put, speaking of links, we’ll make sure that we put the links on the show notes for the conference in your own LinkedIn. But if there’s places that you want to send people to learn more about the conference, where would that be?
Marlene Gebauer (52:35)
Lots of LinkedIn.
Patrick DiDomenico (52:50)
Yeah, the websites are kmniforlegal.com and legaltechconnect.com. So yeah, please check it out and hope to see you all there in the fall, in October.
Greg Lambert (52:59)
All right.
Kevin Klein (53:00)
Absolutely.
Marlene Gebauer (53:01)
And as always, the music you hear is from Jerry David DeCicca Thank you very much, Jerry.
Greg Lambert (53:06)
All right, thanks everybody.
Marlene Gebauer (53:08)
Bye.